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Please see here Questions (comments)and Answers.

This era is the immediate build up to Our Lord's Second Coming in Judgement.

These are short general questions (questions, comments, and answers)
which have been formulated so as to be helpful in providing some particular
information about the book and also what is on this website. The questions,
comments and answers below are focused primarily on the Church; in
particular the build-up to this era, and as to how the successive Popes
responded to the Secret of La Salette. Also the direction of the Church
in this era.

(Please note that if printing these pages the site headings are shown
(listed) first and the first page of text itself begins around the third
printed page.)

See also: La Salette: a Dilemma for the Popes.

The Book itself (in the later parts) covers, in detail, the ways in which
the apostate angels (incarnate demons) have ingratiated themselves
amidst mankind.

(For a quick overview as to this era, please see: The Book: Details.)

Note also that the Church has always taught that She would experience
a period of trial in the build up to Our Lord's Second Coming; this
because of what is shown in scripture; in particular (ii) Thessalonians (ii)
and in The Apocalypse.

Also, please appreciate that the book itself provides further in depth
explanations on the points raised as well as far, far more.

Questions and Answers.

Q.1 Does the book prove that these are the very last times of the world
as we know it? And does the book prove that many alive today will witness
the Second Coming of Christ?

A. The book presents powerful indications to the equivalent of
irrefutable evidence that these are now the very last times of the
world as we know it. That many alive today will witness the Second
Coming of Christ. And that it is time now to Plan and Prepare.

Q.2 Does the book give various reasons for believing that these are
now the very last times of the world as we know it?

A. Yes, some cumulative, and some specific, and some significant
new information. These show that we are now living according to
(that we are bound up with) the last times as foretold in scripture
and with the prophesies that accord with that scripture.

Q.3 Is the new information about the Apocalypse?

A. It is very much within its very last times context.

Q.4 Does the Book give particular guidance as to how to deal with this

A. Yes; generally and specifically. It is very important for humans to
take great care, especially spiritually. Always keep to the commandments
and think carefully and analytically as to what takes place in and during
ones day.

Q.5 What does The Secret of La Salette, at paragraphs 11 and 12, tell us
as to the last chastisement upon mankind?

Paragraph 11 of the Secret of La Salette begins with:

"In the year 1864, Lucifer with a great number of demons will be
unleashed from hell..................." [secret 11]

What did Melanie herself say in relation to this?

A. The seer of La Salette, Melanie Calvert Mathieu, told of a vision
that accompanied the words in the Apparition: "the dead and the
just will be made to revive."(para 12.) The vision showed that this
was a reference to the demon taking these appearances (of humans
who have lived on earth.)

Q.6 What words did Melanie actually use?

A. She said "these so called resurrected dead who will be nothing
other than the demon under these appearances......." [re:secret 12.]

(we will come back to how the Church responded to La Salette; Apparition
and Secret, shortly)

Q.7 Does the book say about the fall of the apostate angels

A. Yes. There is a chapter on the fall of the angels and of how this
links with the fall of mankind (the fall of Adam and Eve) in the garden
of Eden. It tells of God's Genesis decree [Genesis III:XV] given (addressed
the serpent [Lucifer] just after the fall of Adam and Eve (and with them,
mankind.) And, of course, of the greatest help given to mankind; the Christ
coming amongst us to save us from the automatic destination of hell upon
death (the effects of the fall.) We MUST be joined with Our Lord's glorious
resurrection from the dead. Genesis III:XV is:

"I will put enmity between you and the
woman, between your seed and her
seed; He shall crush your head, and
you shall lie in wait for his heel "[Gen 3:15.]

(the chapter on the fall of the apostate angels, and the fall of mankind
is shown on this website: sees: Fallen Creatures.)

Q. 8 Does the book mention about hell?

A. Yes, there is a chapter about the reality of hell. But it is mainly
concerned with trying to understand and explain why the Church
stopped praying for souls who are in hell (for many centuries it
had done so in the East.).

Q.9 Do you think that the Church should be praying for souls who
are in hell?

A. Yes! But this is not to say that Church teaching is wrong but
rather to focus on there always being appeal to God's great Mercy.
Prayers and appeal, these with great humility for poor souls who
are in hell; they are in very great suffering. There is a tradition in
the Church that souls in hell can be "plucked from the fire." And
much evidence from the early centuries of prayers in the Church
(found in the East) taking place for souls who are in hell. The
prayer of St Basil the Great is a very moving example of prayers
for souls in hell from the earliest centuries. See: Prayers for
souls in hell.

Hell is a place where at all and every conceivable cost imaginable,
humans MUST NOT GO. For there, souls are abased, and in horrifying

Q.10 Does the book describe the ways in which the fallen angels
(incarnate demons) have ingratiated themselves amongst mankind?

A. Yes. It is a severe, and a far reaching chastisement indeed. It
affects all societal institutions. And this is an era of the greatest
responsibility for humans, to lead good lives in order to protect
ourselves and to prevent mankind (ever decreasing in numbers)
individually and collectively from going any further astray. Apostate
angels are near and far.

Q.11 Does the book focus on why this final chastisement is upon

A. The Book is not intended to be judgemental in any way; it shows
what happened in the very early centuries onwards and on into the
immediate build-up period.

Q.12 Is the timing of the chastisement significant?

A. Yes. The timing indicates that, although His Mercy is still upon us
individually, and collectively,at some point in the very late eighteenth,
or the very early nineteenth century, mankind's direction had gone too
far to be sustainable with God's Justice; to the point of there being no
way back. It coincides with the escalation of the rights of man being
placed above the Rights of God, a process that began, inevitably, at
the reformation with its consequent fragmentation of beliefs and
practices to gradually include the upholding of all beliefs and none
and with this an emerging dominant secular direction.
The reformation itself stemming from Europe having been unable
to shake off the legacy of barbarian personal royalty. Though there
were some good Catholic kings, and dukes, others claimed more
and more rights for themselves, all fuelled by the fragmentation of
Europe in the ninth century and combined with the six long centuries
of military feudalism with its endless rounds of in-fighting, that so many
were tragically caught up in; the opposite of the grace filled sacramental
economy that the Church tried so hard to set and keep in place; with its
joyous life in Christ unto the goal of salvation. Monastic Christendom was
a profound type of the ideal society. The monasteries, all of which lived
under their rule as authorised by the Church, were as a channel for the
true vine, within their own settings and as reaching out into communities
and societies. A village and town would invariably attach itself to the local
monastery. The reformation was a tragedy for mankind.

Mankind has never fully understood the seriousness and extent of the
battle set by God (in Genesis III:XV) Adam and Eve fell, and mankind
fell with them. God gave us one great chance and provided everything
for us that we take this one chance. This is the ONE battle it is the battle
for our souls and goes on in every moment of our lives. We are fallen
creatures far different to how we would have been; this is a short sojourn
upon God's earth. A Test. God has no need of us whatsoever, but in His
great Mercy and Love for us He gave us a chance, and all has been
provided by Him for us.

When Adam and Eve fell, it was through disobedience, and wanting to
be like God; knowing what He knows. They fell at the instigation of
Lucifer, the devil; the fallen angel. He and all of the fallen angels at
all times seek to implicate man and woman in their rebellion against

Our Lord God and Saviour, Jesus Christ, taught us The Way unto salvation;
the narrow path of the gospels; saying:

"Enter by the narrow gate. For wide is
the gate and broad is the way that leads
to destruction, and many there are who
enter that way. (Mt. 7:13.)

The Truth of the gospels; Our Lord's Words; The Truth;
of Our Lord; and of The Father. Our Lord's Words:

“I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes
to the Father but through me.” (Jn.14:2-6.)

Our Lord teaches us:

He who has listened to the Father comes to me (Jn.6:4-5.)

The Bible is our true enlightenment and is our true education.
Not just one quick read through, but the lessons therein to be
learned and understood - our main education ongoing. The
great focus for us is to be safely in the bosom of the Father.

Our Lord worked many miracles that attested to; evidenced His
Divinity, and evidenced the TRUTH of His Words. Our Lord sought
to get this across to His apostles continuously; that they believe
and that through them others believe. See esp. St John's gospel
(ch 14-17.)

God gave All authority to His Church, and all is about our salvation. The Popes,
down through the centuries, sought that Kings, and all others, whoever they
might be, understood this. And better to learn that salvation is the goal of
life sooner rather than later.

Mankind must give great glory to God. At all times seek His greater glory.
He who made the earth and the sky and the sea and all that is in them.
They are His! We must be aware and wary as to this. For fallen mankind,
in a contemptible fallen state, it is paramount to always have this in our
minds. Mankind must always seek to love and to please God ever more
and more. To please God is the award to crave. All of which fits with the
first commandment.

The first commandment is:

Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart, and with thy whole
soul, and with thy whole mind. This is the greatest and the first commandment."
[Mt 22:37]&[Deut. 6:4-5]

The Our Father; the prayer our Lord God and Saviour taught us, addressed to
God the Father, includes:

“Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven......”[Mt 6:9-13]

These are commands and obligations upon mankind. And one forgets
to fear God at ones peril.

Our true enlightenment is found in the Bible, and as
expounded in traditional Catholic Church teaching, and tradition.

Instead mankind headed further on into the liberty of error and then
even began glorifying such as we entered the era of 'the enlightenment'
(so called) And with more and more publishing and publications extolling
man, and about man were being encouraged.

And indeed the 'enlightenment' (so called) of the eighteenth century saw
many believe that mankind was actively entering a new type of post-Christian
era and behave and influence accordingly. And this saw, simultaneously, the
Catholic Church being ever increasingly undermined and sometimes to
a quite drastic extent even in many Catholic countries. And with this a
number of influential religious orders that had provided the framework
of the hitherto partially successful counter-reformation, were undermined,
expelled, and even suppressed.

Q. 13 When Our Lord is amongst us again, we will be able to ask
Him many things.

A. Yes. I have made that point in the book. But also that Our Lord set in place
one Church, saying "My Church;" founded by His Word on St Peter (Rock)

"....and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it...." (Mt16:18-19)

and that Church can be, and is, the Roman Catholic Church; the Ark of
Salvation. Nothing was left to chance. It is too important for that!
Our Lord God Himself on earth amongst us. He fulfilled His Mission.
He set in place His Church. Not to begin 15-20 centuries later; or in
fits and starts. To start when He said, and to build; all under the
guidance of God The Holy Spirit. The Church; the Ark of Salvation;
joined to God. And that Church can be and is The Roman Catholic
Church! Founded to be one and universal.

The Popes at all times ensuring one unity of doctrine (Catholic) and
heading Christendom. And this from Rome!

And always seeking to ensure that the liberty of the Church was not interfered
with, in particular, the appointment of clergy, and the granting of benefices etc.
Pope(St)Gregory VII for example, wrote the following to the young King
Henry IV of Germany in 1073, soon after the young king had acceded to
the throne. Pope Gregory wrote:

... we warn you with fatherly love that, knowing that the rule of Christ
be over you, you should consider how dangerous it is to place your
honour above his, and that you should not interfere with the liberty of
the church which he has deigned to join to himself by heavenly union,
but rather with faithful devotion you should offer your assistance to the
increasing of this liberty to omnipotent God and St. Peter, through whom
also your glory be amplified." (letter of Pope Gregory VII 1073)

The Church seeking the greater glory of God to always be first and foremost.

Our Lord gave ALL authority to His Church, unto the goal of salvation. The great
duty and responsibility of the Church to ensure that Our Lord's commands were
adhered to. Kings understood this as to Catholic doctrine, but, as concerns laws
of a country for a number this was increasingly to a greater or a lesser extent.

Q. 14 Do you think that there is anything to be found in our Lord's
Words as given Himself concerning the very last times that give an
indication of the last times predicament for mankind?

A. Perhaps as found in St Marks gospel, where Our Lord says:

...For in those days will be tribulations, such as have not been
from the beginning of the creation which God created until now,
nor will be. And unless the Lord had shortened the days, no living
creature would be saved. But for the sake of the elect whom he
has chosen, he has shortened the days..... [MK13:14 -27]

Some Biblical texts do state this as being "no human creature
would be saved."

Q.15 Just going back to The Secret Of La Salette. The Church focused
on the parts of the Secret that referred specifically to the Church
Herself, there was also the difficulty that there were two versions of
Melanie's Secret. Can you tell us why there were two versions and
about the confusion this caused?

A. Yes, the apparition (1846) was of itself very formal. And given in the way
that one might expect of an Old Testament prophet. It is very formal, and
some, and for some evident reasons, found it difficult to accept. But it should
be made clear that the Church did approve the Apparition at La Salette as
being an Apparition of the Blessed Virgin Mary. And that the Church would
be mindful that God does have things made known in a way clear and
understandable to us, and in certain ways and at certain times. And this
was no ordinary time for mankind!

And of course the Blessed Virgin Mary is very well known in Church teaching
as "the New Eve" and in relation to "the Woman" (of Genesis III:XV.)
(see Q7 above.) The Blessed Virgin Mary, She who gave birth to our Saviour.
And who, being Immaculate, without sin, as befits Her role, is very powerful,
and often depicted in direct battle against the evil ones. The Blessed Virgin
responded in the right way to the Archangel Gabriel, in contrast to Eve
responding in the wrong way to the fallen angel, Lucifer (the devil,
the serpent.)

The Blessed Virgin Mary is our powerful, beloved Mother, who protects Her
children against the evil ones and who always seeks to bond us, and ever
more closely to Her Son; Our Saviour, Our Lord Jesus Christ.

At La Salette there was great focus on the Apparition, but problems began
when Melanie disclosed that during the Apparition (at the time of receiving
the Secret (1846), that she had been told not to disclose the Secret until 1858.

(See: La Salette: A Dilemma for the Popes. It includes an account of the
Apparition itself. And also as to the ways in which the Church investigates

Q16. Did the local Bishop carry out the investigation into the Apparition straight

A. Yes, he began the investigations within weeks (October 1846). The
theological commission investigated and answered all questions and objections,
and was in place for two years. The Bishop's favourable conclusions
were then sent to Pope Pius IX, who responded asking Bishop de
Bruillard to build a beautiful church at La Salette. Later raised to a
Basilica by Pope Leo XIII

His favourable conclusions meaning that the
Apparition would be formally declared worthy of belief.

Q.17 Did the Bishop make the announcement straight away?

A. He was just about to when the Metropolitan Cardinal, who had,
in effect, come to be a focus for the clergy who were not comfortable
about the Apparition, stepped in to say that the announcement should
not be made without the contents of the Secret having been made
known to the Church. And, technically, the Cardinal had a valid point.

Q.18 Did this cause a dilemma for the Bishop?

A. The Bishop would not have put himself at odds with the Cardinal.
But with it being 1848, and Melanie stating that she had been told not
to release the secret until 1858, it meant ten years to wait.

It must have been a very difficult time for Melanie (and Maximin, the
other recipient of the Apparition) they would have been very anxious
for the Apparition to be approved. And many pilgrims were flocking
to La Salette, which had its own spring of healing water, and soon
with some canonically approved miracles. One hundred thousand
pilgrims are said to have been at the sight of the Apparition for
the first anniversary.

Q.19 What did Melanie do?

A. After three years she wrote a short and general version of the
Secret, to be made known only to the Pope. This was sent to Pope
Pius IX and, within three months, Bishop de Bruillard had made the
announcement giving formal approval (September 1851.)

Q.20 What happened next?

A. Melanie sent the long version (which included the part about the
release of Lucifer and a great number of demons from hell in 1864)
by courier, to Pope Pius in 1858, but there was no response and it
was soon classified as "lost."

Here is how what is shown in The Apocalypse corresponds with the
warning in The Secret of La Salette:

In The Apocalypse, St John writes of “the Lamb” opening the fourth
seal and of the fourth horse and horseman of The Apocalypse; the
pale green horse, as follows:

And when he opened the fourth seal, I heard the
voice of the fourth living creature saying, “Come! ”
And I saw, and behold, a pale green horse, and
he who was sitting on it — his name is Death,
and hell was following him....(Apoc; 6:7-8)

Traditional Catholic commmentary on the fourth horseman is
as follows:

Ver.8. Pale-green horse, i.e., olive-coloured; this horseman
symbolizes death, or rather pestilence...(commentary: Holy
Family Bible 1950.)

It is what is “following him” that is shown in the Apocalypse;
chapters eight and nine, and shown in paragraphs 11 and 12
of The Secret of La Salette.

Chapter nine of the Apocalypse begins with St John writing:

And the fifth angel sounded the trumpet, and I
saw that a star had fallen from heaven upon the
earth, and there was given to him the key of the
bottomless pit. And he opened the bottomless pit,
and there came up smoke out of the pit like the
smoke of a great furness, and the sun and the air
were darkened by the smoke of the pit. And out of
the smoke there came forth locusts upon the earth...
(Apoc. 9:1-3.)

The release of the Locusts thus follows from the Abyss being
opened by the fallen star. And just as the fallen star must be
an individual; ie a living intelligent being (to have been given
the key to open the bottomless pit with) so too the locusts are
those whom live in the Abyss (to be released from) and from
out of which they come. Locusts (the creature/insect) do not
[as such] live in the Abyss, demons do (as do imprisoned
human souls.)

Locusts are a descriptive term. Just as 'serpent' or 'snake' is
the descriptive term used for Lucifer; the devil, in the garden
of Eden. “Locusts upon the earth” means demons in incarnate;
human form. And voluminous. And swarming.

The Secret of La Salette (secret, as disclosed, in 1858)
paragraphs 11 and 12 are:

"In the year 1864, Lucifer with a great number of demons will be
unleashed from hell; they will abolish the faith little by little and
even in persons consecrated to God; they will blind them in such
a way that barring a particular grace these persons will take on
the spirit of these bad angels: several religious houses will lose
the faith entirely and will lose many souls.. "[Secret:(11)]

The dead and the just will be made to revive [Secret:12]
[That is to say that these dead will take the appearance of just
souls who had lived on earth, in order to lead men further astray:
these so-called resurrected dead, who will be nothing other than
the demon under these appearances, will preach another Gospel
contrary to the one of the true Christ Jesus, denying the existence
of heaven, or they may also be the souls of the damned. All these
souls will appear as if united to their bodies.]

These words [in brackets] [and said to have been made known slightly
later by Melanie] are stated by her to have been "according to the
Vision which I had in the moment that the very Blessed Virgin was
speaking of the resurrection of the dead."[Le Secret De Melanie
p 29-30.]

This is mankind's last times predicament. Apostate angels exist on all
levels of society and in all societal institutions. They are near and far.

But It was not until 1879 that Melanie, and following a number of
setbacks, gained a Bishop's imprimatur for the Secret, and which
meant that it would be protected from being placed on the Forbidden
Index. And it was at this point (autumn 1879)that she showed a copy
to Pope Leo XIII in Rome.

And at this time (August 1879) St John appeared alongside the Holy
Family at Knock, co. Mayo in Ireland. The Apparition at Knock has a
profound significance in the context of The Apocalypse.

See: Knock, Mayo, St. John and The Apocalypse.

Pope Leo took an interest in the Secret, but soon (although later
towards the end of his papacy)all commentaries on it were
placed on the Forbidden Index.

Q.21 Was this because of what the Secret says about what will
happen to the Church?

A. The wording with the Index entries shows this. It was all very
complex because the Church had given no comment on the longer
version disclosed in 1858. And other were ready to do so. But it
should not be forgotten that Pope Leo had also come under great
pressure from a number of French Bishops who disliked what is
mentioned in the Secret about the clergy(But which Melanie said
was as a warning to them.)

It was a difficult time for the Church; It had received what was
thought to be the Secret in 1851, and the Church was trying to
deal with losing and then having lost the Papal States to Italian
Unification. It was a time of much distraction and upheaval.

But if the Church did not link the longer version of the Secret to
the Apocalypse the danger was that it set itself against the Secret,
and in turn against focusing on the Apocalypse, and in turn from a
focus on these being the very last times of the world; indeed distracted
from the whole era of the Apocalypse, and all that this means. And
indeed this means being unfocussed on the release of "the locusts"
the apostate angels, and which, for obvious reasons the Church had
to heed as quickly as possible. To help protect Herself, and mankind!

The last chastisement upon mankind; the incarnate demons
flooding mankind; and indeed, swarming as "locusts" is a severe one.

Q.22 Do you think that Pope Leo XIII and his successors recognized
anything to do with the Secret in the context of the Apocalypse?

A. It is difficult to know the extent of what they knew and/or accepted.
And there is also the point that Melanie, apparently, did not disclose the part
about the vision she had that accompanied the Secret, until later on. This is
understandable in that she would likely have wanted to wait until being asked
by the Church.

Of course the Popes would have sought to do their best with what they understood
at the time.

The final chastisement is not upon the Church Herself (as though exclusively)
it is upon mankind. But it affects the Church and the Church needed to protect
Herself, and mankind, as far as possible, by alerting to what was happening.
What was needed was a focus in the Church on the Trust and confidence in
the Church that Our Lord said that He would be with His Church all through
the days ".... even to the consummation of the world." (Matt 28:19-20)

But the Popes indeed obviously did the best that they could according to what
they understood in the whole context of the Secret. These were very complex
and difficult circumstances for them.

But what is clear is that as they increasingly tried to protect the Church, it
was as though they knew and yet did not know.

Q.23 And so this was all a crucial time for Church and mankind.

A. Yes, very much so, to say the very least !

Q.24 When you say that the Popes tried to protect the Church, do
you mean their trying to protect the Church from modernisms?

A. Yes. The Popes pre-Vatican II repeatedly sought to ensure
Scholastic theology; its teaching and methods. Scholastic
theology and its methods being from the Fathers of the Church
as aligning with Eternal Truth and Divine Law in the grace filled
context of the Church and Church teaching. And collated so eloquently
by St Thomas Aquinas and others in the Early middle ages. Pope (St)Pius X
tied the awarding of Catholic University degrees to Scholastic theology's
exclusive use.

The Popes warned continually against modernism.

Q 25 Can you give an example of their warning against modernism?

A. Yes, in his first Encyclical (1) Pope Benedict XV, even though
immersed in the worries of World War one, ensured that the Church
maintained a strong vigilance as to its dangers. In pointing to those
who have followed its ways; he writes of both modernism and the
spirit of modernism, saying :

"...the monstrous errors of "Modernism," which Our Predecessor
rightly declared to be "the synthesis of all heresies," and solemnly
condemned. We hereby renew that condemnation in its
fullness.....Nor do We merely desire that Catholics should shrink
from the errors of Modernism, but also from what is called the spirit
of Modernism. Those who are infected by that spirit develop a keen
dislike for all that savours of antiquity and become eager searchers
after novelties..." [para 25]

Q. 26. Is Vatican II a focus in the book?

A. Yes, in the later part of the book there is a section on it; what took
place at the Council itself, and also how the Council has influenced
what has happened to the Church.

Q. 27. Is what has happened in the Church since Vatican II a focus
of the book?

A. Yes. A later part of the book.

Q. 28.Can you tell us a bit about this?

A. Yes.

Q. 29. Should Vatican II have been called?

A. No.

Q. 30. But surely it is for the Magisterium of the Church to call a
general Council if it wants to.

A. It can be said categorically, that Vatican II neither would nor could
have been called if it had been recognized long before the difficult times
that the Church and mankind are in.

Q. 31 But what was so different (wrong) about Vatican II ?

A. Vatican II did not accord with the identity of a general Council of
the Church; it did not protect the Rock and Column of the Faith. A
general Council of the Church is supposed to protect the deposit of
Faith. With Vatican II, Church doctrine [the deposit of Faith]was on
the table, as per a general Council, but instead of it being the
subject of protection[how it could best be protected] it was subjected
to an agenda which focused on the expression of the Faith, and on
ecumenism. And so the wrong instruments, as it were, were applied
to the ingredients, and with the result of this being that instead of the
Faith being protected, it was exposed and made vulnerable instead.
And this was compounded, of course, with the famous ambush that
took place on the opening day (the French revolution in the Church.)
And which saw the Curia commissioners who were supposed to be
overseers at the Council replaced by clerics many of whom held
modernist views, and who now dominated not only the commissions,
but along with this, the documents, and the voting procedures.

But I have few doubts that all of this (the whole Vatican II phenomenon)
was stage managed, and from some time before.

Q.32 Is "French revolution in the Church" an accurate way of
describing what took place at the beginning of the Council?

A. It is a known description of what took place at the very beginning of
the Council (the chaos over the voting procedures and who would
form the overseeing commissioners) and is largely accurate.

Q 33. What do you think have been the main affects of Vatican II?

A. That novelty has tried to sideline doctrine. Also as focussed on under these

Loss of Instruction in the Faith:

The move away from instruction in the Faith in Catholic schools, it being
replaced by an ecumenical/pluralistic type approach that teaches about
religion generally. And so the Catholic Faith Itself now scarcely taught
and whilst being presented as significant but as though one religion
amongst many others. This all breeds indifferentism to the Catholic Faith,
to instruction in the Faith, and to the Catholic Church Herself as teacher
of divine Truth under the guidance of God the Holy Spirit (as found in
whole in Traditional Church teaching.)

The Loss of The Concordat:

The loss of the Concordat agreement between the Church and Catholic
countries has been catastrophic. Where a Concordat was in place it
ensured that Catholic teaching was enshrined and reflected in laws and
in school teaching. Vatican II's approach opened the way for Catholic
countries to uphold, in general terms, all beliefs (and none.) The Concordat,
though itself now only rarely in use, and not in its earliest fullest significance,
no longer existed.

And so Catholic parents now, who bemoan that their adult children have little
or no interest in the Faith, and who notice that the humble Christian conscience
is, in effect, being made illegal. And that abortion is facilitated, and which may
involve their relations in a number of ways; including within the medical
profession, might well reflect on the difference in a Catholic country before and
following Vatican II.

Religious pluralism:

Religious pluralism is a form of paganism; as though overseeing all as though one
and the same in value, and including within this secular rights, and placed above
God's revelation, and so it cannot stand with God's Justice! God's revelation as
shown in the Old and in The New Testament and culminating, of course, with
Our Saviour; Our Lord God Jesus Christ, coming amongst us and suffering and
dying for us so that we might be joined with Him in His glorious resurrection
from the dead.

Indeed serious enough (the end for mankind) that religious pluralism is the basis
of all (every) modern political philosophy. But when the Church Herself opens
the way for this then we know we are heading fast for St Paul's prophesy in
Thessalonians II and the time (of apostasy) that immediately precedes Our
Lord's Second Coming in judgement. We are now (and amidst this final
era generally) well advanced into this time

And there needs to be a recognition that we are in the very, very last
times of the world as we know it. The period of immediate build-up
to our Lord's Second Coming.

And all of this is very serious and we are not talking being decades away from
Our Lord's Second Coming in judgement. Of course only God knows
the exact times. But in His great Mercy and Love He has made much
known as to the times that we are now in. Our Lord's Second Coming is
anticipated (and for some very sound reasons) to be the 2030's.
It is right to plan and prepare now.

Catholics must try to affirm the maintaining of the traditional Catholic identity
of the Church; keeping to good Faith practices.

I liken the situation to their being pirates on board Ship (imposters; apostate
angels), and not just any ship; St Peter's Ship; the Ark of Salvation. It is not
a good idea to jump overboard! The way, for all humans in the Church, is to
keep to the good, strong, traditional teachings and ways, have the right
intentions, and stay as close to the Church as possible, and to Trust Our Lord
who said that He would be with His Church all through the days:

.. and behold I am with you all days, even unto the consummation of the
world."[Mt 28:20]

But whilst we can take the greatest comfort from Our Lord's Words, we must
be very wary of an ecumenical structure (product of the Vatican II formulas)
that is being aligned with the Church and that there are those who are being
inadvertently drawn into it and which, the more Catholic identity is overshadowed
in the Church Herself, the more easily it is for those who want to funnel all into
a new structure to do so. We will return to this point again shortly in these
questions and answers.

Q.34. Just on the first point above. What do you mean by Novelty trying
to replace doctrine?

A. Catholic doctrine; the deposit of Faith, is grounded in Eternal
Truth, Divine Law and as found in Scripture; God's commands and
teachings. The Church accessed this at "source" at the right time
(apostolic times) and then built the Church (the Rock and column of
the Faith) under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, as reflected in Her
sacramental economy, devotions, prayers, and practices etc, and, as
necessity arose, down through the centuries, the protections put in
place to safeguard the Faith, from heresies and from any adverse
outside influences. The complete deposit of Faith.

Q. 35 How does novelty change this?

A. A novelty, as it were, by-passes this to develop things to suit a
specific agenda.

Q.36 Can you give an example of this?

A. Yes. Perhaps the classic example is found in the practice of
ecumenism, namely "communicatio in sacri" (worship in common.)
Such is forbidden by divine law and a sin against the Faith, as
reflected in the teaching always held in the deposit of Faith.

Q.37. Why is it forbidden by divine law and a sin against the Faith?

A. Because the Lex Orandi is the Lex Credendi (worship reflects
belief) we must worship God as according with what we believe. To
take part in worship in common (ecumenical services and worship)
is to reflect ecumenical belief; belief in an ecumenical community/
structure/ 'church.' And the same with all worship outside of the
Catholic Church in any context is against the Lex Orandi Lex
Credendi, and is a sin against the Faith.

Q.38. How did Vatican II introduce this novelty?

A. By inserting a 'qualifying' criteria (a novelty) a clause, into a
document which says that worship in common is only wrong in
certain circumstances, stating specifically that:

"Common participation in worship (communicatio in sacris) which
harms the unity of the Church or involves formal acceptance of error
or the danger of aberration in the faith, of scandal and indifferentism,
is forbidden by divine law."2

Q.39 But wasn't this new criteria concerning communicatio in sacri
said in the context of the separated Eastern churches because the
Church recognizes their sacraments and ecclesiastical structures as
valid on account of the earlier centuries long communion with Rome
and their apostolic heritage?

A. But those now separated are still separated from the Catholic
Church, as they themselves are often the first to say, and they hold a
number of different beliefs. But this new approach this 'qualifying'
novelty is both shown explicitly in the main document on
ecumenism3 as well as being implied (often ambiguously) in other
Vatican II documents as well. And, as is obvious from what has and
is taking place, this novelty has almost taken on a life of its own so
that worship in common is now happening everywhere and means
now that anyone in effect can go along to any service anywhere at
all and seek to justify it by saying that they are unaffected by it. And
that is what is happening.

Q. 40. And so in this example, the difference before and following
Vatican II is that before Vatican II the practice of worship in common
(because it in itself offends the Lex Orandi, Lex Credendi, and is
against divine law) was forbidden under the teachings of the
Church? But since Vatican II this is being sidelined to suit an
ecumenical agenda.

A. Yes.

Q 41 But wasn't there some sort inferences about worship in
common just before Vatican II.

A. Yes, it must be said that there was. But the flood gates were
opened at Vatican II

Q 42 To what extent has the Faith; the deposit of Faith, been
protected since Vatican II?

A. It has, to an extent, because of the enduring cognizance of the Faith;
traditional Church teaching and ways are known and are of the very
identity of the Church; these endure, and are within, are maintained in the

Q. 43 How do you think that Vatican II affected the Church, especially
in the post -Vatican II clergy ?

A. As having, in effect, formulated a program such that the clergy build
a false ecumenical structure alongside the Catholic Church. And ecumenical,
as not being Catholic must, by definition, mean an ecumenical/protestant structure.

Q.44 Do you mean through the promotion of ecumenism and
worship in common with the various protestant communities at the
same time as performing Catholic priest sacramental and other
Catholic practices?

A. Yes. An ecumenical (protestant) framework with its culture. And
this culture is very much linked with a requirement from Vatican II
that priests wipe out separateness and also what can be termed an
ecumenical re-write of history, that "future shepherds" ie future
bishops, develop an ecumenical approach to history,4 and which can
be very highly misleading. And this along with a personal theology
agenda to work from, as reflects the "pick and choose" theology of
Vatican II. And this is, of course, very serious and concerning.
Identity does matter because it obviously affects the Lex Orandi Lex

Q. 45 Are the faithful themselves caught up in this ?

A. Yes, gradually being aligned with an ecumenical(protestant) structure
with the danger of then be funnelled into it. The Faithful must keep
to known, traditional Church teachings and ways.

Q. 46.Can you give an example of an ecumenical re-write of history?

A. Yes. One is looked at below.

Q. 47 Is the Mass itself crucial in this whole context?

A. Yes. Because whoever controls the identity of the Mass controls
the identity of the Church. And the Common rite mass, when it
appears, will likely be the bridge link into the new
ecumenical /protestant structure.

Q. 48 Has there been an actual announcement as to the Common

A. Yes it was announced at the Vatican in 2011. Developments
since, for example with regard to the Ordinariate and the seeking to
agree on and share a common Eucharist with the Lutherans, have
indicated that the Common rite will have a distinctive protestant

Q. 49. Is the Tridentine Mass crucial in maintaining the identity of the
Catholic Church?

A. Yes. Of course it is so vital. The Canon of the Mass goes back to
at least the 4th century (traced in writings to that time) and the
Council of Trent and the Council of Florence both affirmed its origin
in Apostolic times. The Mass is Our Lord's great Sacrifice (which
was complete and for all time) but repeated; in an unbloody form,
everyday on the altar and with the faithful; both living and dead,
benefiting from Our Lord's precious Body and Blood and from the
graces and merits won for us through His great Sacrifice
accordingly. And with Our Lord Himself as the principal celebrant.
Pope(St) Pius X, echoing St John Vianney (patron saint of parish
priests) referred to the Mass as being: "The Highest prayer that
exists." It is the great offering to God the Father by God the Son
Himself. And so we can look at the Catholic Mass, the Tridentine
"Mass of Ages" in a very particular way precisely because we expect
it to be the very best that the Church can do. Our Lord God and
Saviour deserves the best for the reenactment of His sacrifice. And
because of this; what the Mass is, it had to be pristine; had to be the
very best; had to be protected and fortified; this all the duty and
primary role of the Church, guided by God the Holy Ghost, and so
this; the Tridentine Mass, must have fulfilled that role of being the
very best that the Church can do. It is not a question of a wardrobe
of Masses. There can be no better Mass. The Tridentine Mass is
fully qualified as being the Mass of the Catholic Church. To say
otherwise is to say that the Magisterium of the Church, under the
guidance of the Holy Ghost, failed Her Lord and Master in this one
of Her great primary functions and roles. Fr Faber, a convert to
Catholicism, described the sung Tridentine Mass as being "the most
beautiful thing this side of heaven."

Q 50. Yes. But because of it being banned from general use for so
long, it is the Novus Ordo that is known exclusively by almost all
practicing Catholics. Does the Novus Ordo retain much Catholic

A. The Novus Ordo itself retains a Catholic identity. But it is what
might be termed a transitional Mass, it retains a Catholic identity,
but with the active potential within it not to.

Q.51. What do you mean by this?

A The changes, the introduction of the Novus Ordo, had its own
build-up period and in that time what was presented gave an
idea of the direction that the Vatican II influence was taking.

Q. 52. Can you give an example?

A. Yes. There was an indication of the changes ahead when the first
draft proposals emerged at the 1967 Synod in Rome; the Orate Fratres
(Pray, Brethren, that my Sacrifice and yours may be acceptable to
God the Father Almighty)had been left out in the proposals. It was,
however, re-instated. But there was also the highly significant use of
terminology. The proposal was that rather than the Mass being
termed "The Mass." It would now be termed "The Lord's Supper or Mass"
(reminiscent of Cranmer's terminology.) And so the benchmark was at
that time becoming clear, between the Mass as a Sacrifice (Catholic) its
true identity, or the Mass as a narrative and a memorial of the Lord's
Supper (ecumenical/protestant.) And keeping in mind, for example, that
when the Novus Ordo first appeared it was most often said or sung in
Latin and facing the altar. But this gradually changed. Latin, the sacred
language of the Church, and which also helps maintain unity of worship.

Q.53 And so how do you see the Novus Ordo in practical terms?

A. In the Mass being a Sacrifice, Catholic; "Go unto the altar of God"
(Calvary.) And the Mass as a narrative of the supper, a memorial
(ecumenical/protestant.) In terms of both the Novus Ordo (in its
potential), or the lurking Common rite mass this means a narrative of
past events, ie that the readings, rather than being an active focus
upon, instead replace anything that takes place by way of enacting
"here and now" (Sacrifice. Catholic.) And so if the readings are extended and
with community based features developing further eg bidding
prayers, and community based mass "themes" then this is a
protestant direction.

Q. 54 And so at the moment the Novus Ordo is Catholic?

A. Yes. It has a Catholic identity but it is in danger.

Q 55. Is it a great danger?

A. Yes. We must always remember that the Lex Orandi is the Lex
Credendi; the way we worship reflects what we believe. And the
Novus Ordo is very vulnerable. It is always the Tridentine Mass that
is THEE Mass of the Catholic Church.

Q 56. What stage would you say that the Church is at at the moment
and is this covered in the book?

A. Yes, this is covered in the book. And the following is what
happened to me (in 2017) on a Sunday morning in a Catholic Church,
in the context of the Tridentine. Perhaps this will give an idea of what
is happening and which many Catholics are as yet unaware of:

St Mary's Catholic Church , Chislehurst.

Q 57 Do you think that all Catholic parishes are in danger of this
happening; that a mix and match or new type of service, whatever it
might be, could just be introduced, and as though at random and
without any notification?

A. I think this evidences that they are.

Q.58 You have mentioned the Ordinariate. Is it mentioned in the

A. Yes, it is focused on in detail in one of the later chapters of the

Q. 59 Do you think that the Ordinariate is entirely Anglican?

A. Yes. As being an Anglican group which has rejected the direction of
mainstream Anglicanism. It tends to be characterized as having
rejected the authority of women in the Anglican communion. But it
also has traditionalist Anglican concerns about what it regards as
being liberalisms now within the Anglican liturgies.

Q. 60 What do you think that the Ordinariate is in the context of the
Catholic Church?

A. As being an Anglican group very committed to more traditional
Anglicanism, and which has rejected what is happening in their own
community but which refuses to convert to Roman Catholicism. And
has sought recognition of their Anglican group by the Holy See
instead; seeking specifically to be termed as being "in communion
with Rome." And seeking to be funded and resourced by the
Catholic Church.

Q.61 Can the Catholic Church give such a recognition to the

A. No, because it has no authority over an Anglican group, this is
because according to Church teaching, a protestant community is
non-apostolic, and is 'protestant' (in protest) against the Catholic
Church and so the Catholic Church can have no authority over any
defined as such. And Anglicanism, as Anglicans themselves would
be first to point out, is part of protestantism, not part of Roman
Catholicism. But the Ordinariate is being given recognition under the
ecumenical structure/framework of Vatican II that is being built and
taking shape alongside the Catholic Church and is a visible part of it.

Q 62. Do you think that the Ordinariate is in a way being used for
Vatican II purposes; that it is providing a type of Template for the
ecumenical(protestant) framework of Vatican II that is taking shape
alongside the Church?

A. Yes. It has its own powers and structures and is classed as being
a diocese and so it is a clearly identifiable "concrete" community
'church' structure for Catholics to be aligned with and into, but which
itself will then become more ecumenical; incorporating more and
different protestant denominations and their identities within its

Q. 63 But why can't the Ordinariate itself be Roman Catholic?

A. Because it cannot get over its first hurdle. It itself neither wants to
have, and cannot have, a Roman Catholic animus and identity .

Q. 64 Why can it not get over this hurdle?

A. Because under Anglicanorum Coetibus the Anglican
(protestant) elements have to retain their identity in order to
be included (have to be Anglican to qualify as inclusion criteria.) And
so they are Anglican and align with Anglican beliefs which must, by
definition, remain with them. And this point is very much emphasized
in Anglicanorum Coetibus III by the term "liturgical books proper to the
Anglican tradition." Therefore, this in Anglican protestantism.
And so it cannot overcome the hurdle(the inherent contradiction)
that in order for the liturgical elements to be those which the
Anglicans want to retain, they must be defined and identified as
Anglican; from the Anglican tradition, and so part of Anglican
worship culture, doctrine, animus and belief. And so to adapt them
out of Anglicanism cannot work with the necessary criteria for their
inclusion. Therefore, Anglicanism (protestantism) identity is retained.

Q.65. Do you think that problems have been caused by Vatican II
saying of the Church that "elements of sanctification and truth are
found outside of its visible structure."(5)

A. Yes. But this (6) was only supposed to apply in relation to the
Church Herself. And so the separated Eastern Churches were
included (on account of their recognized sacraments; their apostolic
heritage, and ecclesiastical structuring.) The Anglican (reformation
protestant) community, however, was supposed to be the subject of
no more than dialogue (7) hence the formation of the commission, the
ARCIC following Vatican II. But because it is a Vatican II novelty
and, as with any novelty, virtually uncontrollable, very many
communities outside of the Church now decide that it means
whatever they want it to mean.

And it is a dangerous novelty that was roundly condemned by the
Popes pre-Vatican II, in the context of worship in common.

And indeed if such were possible the Popes would surely long ago
have been onto it. They never entertained any such thing.

Q. 66 But why is it a novelty? And why is it destructive?

A. Because it tries to detach belief from expression. As though if all
say and do the same by way of expression, even though with some
different cultural expression, they will somehow all believe the same.
What needs to be remembered is that all denominations and
religions already all believe that they contain sanctification and truth;
and expression of beliefs can be similar or even identical, for
example, certain modes of prayer, incense burning etc. But it is
belief that gives a particular identity. And so, for example, with the
Anglican community; their identity, their belief is centred on their 39
articles of religion and in which are found beliefs that are very,
very different to Roman Catholic belief. In the 39 articles
Transubstantiation is not recognized, nor is the Mass as a sacrifice.
The sinlessness of the Blessed Virgin is not recognized. Purgatory is
not believed in, nor the invocation of the saints. Prayers for the
dead, always so vitally important and so intrinsic to Catholic belief,
are called "blasphemous fables and dangerous deceits"(art 31.)
Only two sacraments are recognized; baptism and "the supper of the
Lord." Justification by Faith alone; the belief that nothing a person
does affects their salvation and that good works (undefined) follow
on as the fruit of Justification (Luther's belief) are expressly taught in
the Articles. This is very, very different to Catholic belief. Anglican
ministers even take an oath to uphold the 39 articles at their ordination.
And the Book of Common prayer is known as "the liturgical outworking
of the articles."

Q 67. But with regard to the Ordinariate. It has said that it accepts
Church teaching and the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

A. But here Catholic identity and Vatican II "novelty" identity needs to
be looked at closely. Vatican II documents contain all sorts of
vagueness and ambiguities; the reasons why novelty has taken
hold. And the post Vatican II Catechism was actively promoted as
being ecumenical when it first appeared. It, in effect, contains
Catholic teaching and ecumenical teaching. And consider, for
example, the approach of the first leader (Ordinary) of the
Ordinatiate in the US and Canada. He provided a lecture program
on Vatican II to his Ordinariate, and regularly stated the teachings of
Vatican II to be "wonderful" and all whilst banning Latin (the sacred
and unifying universal language of the Catholic Church) from his
Ordinariate itself because it is not Anglican. And also keeping in
mind that the Complementary Norms (the rules) governing the Ordinariate
can be changed or adapted on the application of an Ordinary and,
since it has a complete structuring (is its own diocese both alongside
and within Catholic dioceses) obviously the stronger foothold it gains
there is little to stop it applying things directly itself.
And with the Ordinariate the question is always begged: Why did
they not want to convert to Roman Catholicism?

Q.68 But are the Ordinariate Clergy not required to define
themselves away from Anglicanism?

A. No. Because the whole point of the Ordinariate is that it
specifically retains Anglicanism. And, in an interview in 2012,(9) the
Ordinary of the England and Wales Ordinariate group made a point
of saying that they have not been asked to deny anything.

Q.69 But isn't the Ordinariate liturgy supposed to be compliant with
Church teaching?

A. But that is to do with another hurdle that the Ordinariate cannot
overcome. The Catholic Church has no authority over the Anglican
liturgy. And Anglican liturgy does not belong to the Ordinariate, it
belongs to the Anglican communion. And the Anglican liturgy was
written by protestants for a protestant service. And coming back to
its first hurdle, Anglicanorum Coetibus states that its liturgies must
be those proper to the Anglican tradition. But even if an Ordinariate
priest said the Catholic Mass (and the same with regard to the Catholic
sacraments) surely it must be illicit because he is an Anglican.

Q.70 Before just picking up on that last point, are there any
indications as to how much Anglicanism is actually being retained?

A. The Ordinariate Mass is termed the Anglican rite. There seems to
have been no objections to it by the Ordinariate priests which
indicates that it is entirely Anglican. And when its Missal (Divine
Worship) appeared in 2015 there were no objections and perhaps a
response in Australia provides a good example as to why this is.

Q. 71 Is this something that took place when the Ordinariate Missal
was first introduced?

A. Yes. A talk that was given by an Australian Ordinariate priest
(Ramsey Williams) in 2015 (10) to the Prayer Book Society(Book of
Common Prayer) about the new Ordinariate missal. He spoke of the
Missal saying how it:

"..is remarkable in that its texts are largely drawn from the Book of
Common Prayer and the Anglican tradition or 'patrimony'...."

He goes on to say :

".....This is the first time in history that distinctive elements of an
ecclesial community established at the Reformation have found an
honoured place in the life of the Catholic Church."

The question that needs to be asked from the fact of such a talk
even being given to the Prayer Book Society is this: Would it
condone such a talk if the Book of Common Prayer was being
revised to a greater or lesser extent; that is, if it was being altered or,
would they condone it if they considered it to be intact, honoured
and preserved in its protestant entirety? Surely it is that they think
that it is being honoured and preserved!

Q 72. What about Anglican Patrimony, is this preserved in its

A. This is what provides us with an example of what might be termed
an ecumenical re-write of history.

Q. 73 What do you mean?

A. The CDF in conjunction with Anglicanae Traditiones (the Liturgical
Commission of the Ordinariate) decided to give a new definition of
the meaning of the term "Anglican Patrimony." In 2013 it stated:

"We have thought a lot about what constitutes Anglican Patrimony,
particularly as it involves the liturgy, and we have a working
definition. It is to say that "Anglican liturgical patrimony is that which
has nourished the Catholic faith within the Anglican tradition during
the time of ecclesiastical separation, and has given rise to this new
desire for full communion."11

This is a clear ecumenical re-write of history. Anglican liturgical
patrimony, based on the 39 articles, does not prompt a Roman
Catholic direction. Anglican liturgical patrimony does not mean
Roman Catholic liturgical patrimony. The reality is, for example, that
in Britain between 1673 (Test Act 1673) and 1829 all holders of any
public office were required to deny Transubstantiation and attend
Anglican communion (thus excluding Catholics from holding any
public office.) Anglican liturgical patrimony means what it says it
means: Anglican liturgical patrimony! And this is a serious matter.
This ecumenical re-write of history is trying to align high church
Anglo-catholicism (with its 39 Articles) with Roman Catholicism.
The vast differences between Anglicanism and Roman Catholicism,
is witnessed to by our brave Catholic recuscant martyrs. These
Catholics did not think that Anglican liturgical patrimony was Roman
Catholicism, and nor, as is abundantly clear, did the Anglicans
themselves. An ecumenical re-write of history helps no one because
it misrepresents background and is wrong for all concerned.

Q. 74. But ultimately, and picking up on the point made above,
does not much of this all come down to how much and what kind of
training the Ordinariate priests are having?

A. There is virtually nil training for existing Anglican ministers
(layman according to canon law.) The Ordinands do have more
training but this is obviously dominated by Anglicanism in line with
the requirements for inclusion within the Ordinariate.

Q.75 The Anglican ministers obviously regard themselves as being
Anglican priests and of the Anglican tradition and they have taken an
oath to uphold the 39 Articles and so there must be some sort of
new training. What does the training consist in and what is the
normal time scale?

A. A transitional diaconate that lasts anything from one day to a few
months. The Ordinariate claimed recently to have more training but
this likely includes a discernment period. And training is concerned
with the Ordinariate.

Q.76. Can you give an example of this one day training?

A. Yes. in the US, Randall Fogle was ordained into the Ordinariate
diaconate on August 29th 2015 and into the Ordinariate priesthood
on 30th August 2015

Q.77 This is a very different to the training for a Catholic priest.

A. Yes, and we can consider the normal training period for a
Catholic priest. Training for a Catholic priest is normally six
years, most often seven years and can be longer if a member of
a Religious Order, and with, under Canon Law, a six month
transitional diaconate and this of course as the final part of their training.

Q.78 Yes. This all does seem very complex. Is there more in the
book on related matters, for example, the matter of priestly celibacy?

A. Yes.

But before continuing, to note that as to all of these points made,
that we are in the very, very, last times of the world as we know it
and amidst the final chastisement upon mankind (see other pages
on this website) and that the Ordinariate, and as with Vatican II
itself, and all of its complex legacies, is a chronic distraction from
preparations for Our Lord's Second Coming in Judgement, and yet
is real and so has to be a focus of attention.

Q.79 What are the ways in which the Ordinariate is infiltrating into
the Church?

A. At parish level and on an individual level. On an individual level
cradle Catholics can join if they have a family member who is eligible
to join (if an existing Anglican convert.) The rules were changed to
also now include those who have been baptized Catholics but not
yet been confirmed. Consider, for example an Ordinariate priest who
has taken over in (what was) a Catholic parish and who now is given
responsibility for the local Catholic school. There is nothing to stop
him actively trying to bring whole groups into the Ordinariate
annually. And it is likely that the rules will be changed further the
stronger the Ordinariate becomes.

Q.80 What about at parish level?

A. There are five separate, but overlapping ways in which the
Ordinariate is being accommodated by, and developing within, the
Catholic Church. Accommodated location and funding wise, and
accommodated integration wise.
There is the Ordinariate priest/deacon and his Ordinariate
parishioners/group who are using a Catholic parish as a host and/or
as its base. Second is where the Ordinariate priest and his
Ordinariate parishioners/group have their own premises/church
which was not previously a Catholic church (rare.) Third is where the
Ordinariate priest, with his Ordinariate group in tow, is taking over as
parish priest(parochial administrator)of an existing Catholic parish.
Four is where an Ordinariate priest is appointed directly a parish
priest (parochial administrator.) The appointments are formally made
by the Catholic Diocese (and, in effect, by the Ordinariate.) For both
three and four this might be accompanied by the Catholic parish being
formally given over to the Ordinariate and which then becomes an
"Ordinariate" parish. Five is where there is no Ordinariate priest or
deacon and the Ordinariate group exists within a Catholic parish;
but which has a visiting Ordinariate priest. Or they can ask that
their Ordinariate mass be said for them in a Catholic parish.
In each case existing Catholics parishioners, and with those with
little or no understanding of what the Ordinariate is and what its
potential is to become in the future, are being encouraged to attend
Ordinariate services and to welcome Ordinariate groups and the
Ordinariate mass.

And May 2017 saw, in Torbay, the first church/parish of the
Ordinariate's own diocese(scenario two above.) And they will be
telling Catholics that they can attend and fulfill their obligations
there. And when it becomes a deanery, it must follow that all the
Ordinariate priests in the area in what were Catholic but are now
(formally or informally) Ordinariate parishes will be part of this
Ordinariate deanery. And all part of the Ordinariate diocese.

Q.81 But isn't the Ordinariate relatively small numbers wise?

A. It has over a hundred priests in England and Wales and has
already taken over a number of existing parishes. It is also
saying an Ordinariate mass in Catholic parishes. For example at
St Augustine's Abbey/shrine in Ramsgate the Ordinariate [in 2017]
took over in the time that was a Tridentine Mass on a Friday, and so
an Ordinariate (protestant) liturgy has replaced the Catholic Mass;
theTridentine mass. And this also provides an example of it only
being announced for a while in the newsletter. (Note that this relates
to mid 2017)

Q. 82. And so it is being integrated rapidly.

A. Yes. And not only this, Catholic priests are now told that they
must go to an Ordinariate parish and say the Ordinariate mass if told
to do so and where they will be under the authority of the Ordinary.
And this is very serious. And what is taking shape is a template for
all Catholic parishes since all Catholic parishes will inevitably
encounter the Ordinariate in one way or another sooner or later. And
the introduction of the Common rite mass will be a very telling time.

Q.83. Can you give us an example of the way in which an
Ordinariate group might gradually take over a Catholic parish?

A. Yes, St Luke's in the USA. This Ordinariate group/parish has
moved into a nearby Catholic church. The immediate background to
the move in September 2014, was reported in the US Ordinariate
Observer's summer 2014 edition. It quotes the Ordinariate priest
who says:

"Rather than continue in the Bladenburg location, with all its
limitations, St Luke's and the Ordinariate reached out to the
Archdiocese of Washington, which is strongly committed to helping
the Ordinariate presence..........The Church of the Immaculate
Conception is less than seven miles from St Luke's, is located in a
growing and thriving neighborhood, and has offered Sunday morning
Mass times, rooms for refreshment and hospitality and Religious
education for St Luke's.... "

And so it is going to be resourced by the Catholic diocese. And
which means Catholic parishioners are, literally, accommodating it,
paying for it and enhancing it. Anglican patrimony; protestantism is
being infiltrated into this Catholic parish and indeed Catholics might
well ask whom will this "growing and thriving neighborhood" be
evangelized by?And what does the Religious education consist in?
St Luke's, in effect, has the potential to simply take over the entire
parish and which can be shown in the following: St Luke's refers to
itself in different ways; not only does it refer to itself as an
Ordinariate parish within the Catholic church of The Immaculate
Conception but also as "St Luke's at Immaculate Conception" and
also as St Lukes church.
And so this Roman Catholic church and with all of its facilities is
now in use for the Ordinariate as well. This is the first stage of
Ordinariate (protestant) integration in this parish. Further integration
is as follows.
The Ordinariate has the 08.30 am Sunday mass for its Ordinariate
Anglican rite mass. And it also has the 08.30 am weekday mass
It means that Roman Catholic parishioners who have always gone
to the early Sunday Mass now have to change to attend the later
Mass or attend the Ordinariate mass. Or in the case of the weekday
now most likely have to miss Mass. For those who know little or
nothing about the Ordinariate other than that they are being told to
be welcoming of it, they will attend the service at the usual time.
Acting as though it is its own parish church; St Luke's Ordinariate
parish priest also has confession times during the week. St Luke's
has its own Sunday Bulletin, its own parish coffee morning after its
Sunday mass; it has its own parish meetings and its own events.
And whilst all of this integration is going on there is, of course,
simultaneously being developed all the groundwork for the biggest
level of integration of all and which can be summed up by asking:
who will take over as parish priest when the priest of The church of
The Immaculate Conception leaves? Will the Ordinariate priest take
over as the parish priest?And if so who will be his assistant priest?
Another Ordinariate priest? And if he does take over as parish priest
of both parishes this will now be a fully Ordinariate parish. And will
he become the influential area Dean? What is to prevent the crossover
between an Ordinariate and Catholic deanery? And all situated
within a developing Ordinariate diocese within a Roman Catholic
diocese. All in the context of the Ordinariates own diocese.

Q. 84. Do you think that much funding is going to the Ordinariate?

A. Yes, we know it is because at its inception the Catholic Bishops Conference
of England and Wales gave funding; Alan Hopes stating that:

"..the bishops have very generously given a quarter of a million
pounds and I think we're seeking ways in which we can find money
from other funds. We're actively engaged in that."12

And so we know that diocesan funds are being used for the

Q. 85 Do you think the Ordinariate will draw the Catholic Church into
the Anglican community; in the US the Episcopalian (Anglican
communion) community etc ?

A. Yes. But in the sense of drawing Catholics into a protestant/
ecumenical structure being built alongside the Church.

And with also its potential; that once the common rite template
is in place the same in the context of the different national
communities in different countries, and then also with non -
conformist communities in different countries as well. And this
especially in that Vatican II deliberately delegated much to local
Catholic bishops conferences in each country. And, for example
recently there has been much ecumenical engagement with the
Church of Sweden. And also the statement about a shared Eucharist
with the Lutherans.

Q. 86 Do you think that this is all in line with the warning given
to the Church in the Secret of La Salette ? And the difficulties
for the Church foretold in scripture for the time that precedes
Our Lord's Second Coming?

A. Yes. Entirely! Catholics must try, as much as we possibly can, to
keep to good, established, traditional, Church teachings and ways.
Keeping the Church intact, and recognizably Roman Catholic, so that
wrong ways and attachments (and structures) do not lead Catholics
into going outside of Her! And can bring those who are outside within.

Q.87 What can Catholics do?

A. It is a very difficult situation at this stage because very many in
the Church are pushing for this direction. But Catholics must do what
we can to be no part of it at all. It means seeking to ensure a good
strong Catholic identity. It means keeping away from ecumenism
whilst keeping to pre-Vatican II teachings (the true Rock
and Column of the Faith) as much as possible.

Q. 88 What about all the other Christian communities. All will want to
prepare for the Lord's second Coming.

A. Yes. of course. And they themselves will need to consider the
situation very carefully. Our Lord set in place one Church; His
Church. And that Church can be And is, the Roman Catholic Church;
founded on "Rock" (Peter) by Our Lord's Word. The Ark of Salvation.

Q.89 Do you want them to come into the Catholic Church?

A. Yes. Of course.

Q. 90 Many Catholics already have an understanding that we are
near to or are in the last times of the world because of the prophesy
of St Malachy. Is this looked at in the book?

A. Yes it is looked at in some detail in the book. We are now in a
position to know that Archbishop Malachy in his prophesy of the
Popes (perhaps better termed a vision) accurately saw, and foretold,
in the year 1139, the number of future holders of the papal chair to
coincide precisely with these last times of the world.

Q.91 Can you tell a bit about what happened and about what St
Malachy tells us?

A. Yes. In 1139 Archbishop Malachy, an Irish prelate of the sees of
Armagh and Cashel in Ireland, was in Rome giving a report on his
dioceses to Pope Innocent II. And he was also there to receive his
two wool palliums (shepherd's cloak) in relation to his
Archbishoprics. Whilst there he had a vision in which he saw a long
line of Popes (holders of the papal chair.) And he attributed a verse
to each of those whom he saw. Josef Ratzinger(Benedict XVI) being
number one hundred and eleven on the list.

Q 92 How many were there on Archbishop Malachy's list altogether?

A. One hundred and thirteen. And with a name for the last one.

Q. 93 Many think it was one hundred and twelve, which is accurate?

A. Archbishop Malachy presented one hundred and eleven entries in
a one line verse. But for one hundred and twelve there is a two line
verse and for one hundred and thirteen, and which contains the part
about Petrus Romanus (Peter the Roman) feeding his flock in the
very last times of the world, there are eight lines.

Q. 94 Why is there a confusion as to whether there is one hundred
and twelve or one hundred and thirteen?

A. Because the last two and eight lines have, in recent centuries,
been written as one ten line verse. And this is thought to stem from a
seventeenth century translation. This translation presumably being
on account of a noticing of what appears to be an anomaly.

Q. 95 What is the anomaly?

A. That it is number one hundred and twelve who sits in the last
times of the world (last "extrema") and that number one hundred and
thirteen feeds his flock amidst many tribulations at the end "extrema"
"finis." And so the last two separately seems to create an anomaly.

Number 112 is:

In persecutione extre
ma sre. sedebit.

There will sit
in the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church.

And that for number 113 there is(written as eight lines in the Lignum

Petrus Romanus, qui pascet oves in maltis tribulationibus, quibus
transactis civitas septicollis difuetur, & judex tremendus judicabit
populum summa finis."

Peter the Roman, who will feed his flock among many tribulations
after which the seven hilled city will be destroyed and the dreadful
Judge will Judge the people. The End"

Q.96 What does the actual written text before the seventeenth
century itself show us?

A. As shown in the Lignum Vitae 1595, which shows the later part of
the text, it can be viewed here:

The pattern of writing, the entry positioning, the punctuation, shows
us that there were one hundred and thirteen entries made. And the
writer would have known this, and hence distinguishes the two when
otherwise there is no need to. This copy (Lignum Vitae) was made
by Fr Wion, a Benedictine monk for his history of the Benedictine
Order and copied under strict supervision from the text held in the
Vatican archives.
But I think in any case Jorge Bergoglio (Francis I) might be

Q. 97 Why do you say this?

A. Because Archbishop Malachy had a vision, not an explanation.
He was a senior prelate of the Church, and if in his vision he saw
one dressed in papal robes(in white) and freely moving around the
Vatican and not a hostage or in exile in any way (ie Benedict XVI)
and who he had already identified and was on his list, it would have
been difficult for him to imagine a two in office at once scenario.

Q. 98 Does that mean that the next one will be Petrus Romanus?

A. No. Because Petrus Romanus is number one hundred and

Q. What if Archbishop Malachy did include Jorge Bergoglio (Francis
I) as number one hundred and twelve, will his successor be Petrus

A. No. Because number one hundred and twelve sits in the final
persecution of the Church. The most that it could mean is if there is
more than one sitting as number one hundred and twelve.
Something that has been remarked upon by Catholic commentators
in recent centuries. This is the most likely.

Q. 99 What do you think that this all means?

A. I think it means that St Malachy saw exactly what is happening in
these years that directly precede Our Lord's Second Coming. And
that Catholics, in responsibility and maturity, must recognize that
without a most drastic of drastic changes in the Church (not
foreseeable) it is not possible for anyone remotely fitting the
description of Petrus Romanus to hold the papal chair. And that
since only a cleric who has come through the ranks of the Church
can sit in the papal chair, and who needs be voted in at a papal
conclave, then the one only other person who can sit in the papal chair
is St Peter himself. And I think that the name "Peter" and the words
"who will feed his flock" reminiscent of Our Lord's own words to
St Peter: "Feed my sheep" tell us a great deal. It is not in the sense
of St Peter in person, instead it should be kept in mind that in the earlier
centuries St Peter himself was regarded as being himself very prominent,
in influence, with regard to the papal chair: "Peter's chair."

Q. 100 But in a practical sense how can St Peter feed his flock?

A. It comes back to understanding that we are in the years now that
directly precede Our Lord's Second Coming, and that Catholics must do
all that we can to protect the Church and prepare for the Lord. Have a
focus on the event of Our Lord's Second Coming and do all that we can,
individually and collectively, to ensure that the Rights of God are placed first;
His commands; His teachings.

Q. 101 Do you think that Our Lord is helping us Himself directly in
this era?

A. Yes. He knows the predicament that we are in and our whole
heavenly family are helping us and are close to us. Many things are
gathering momentum now in this great build up period.
But we must put the Rights of God first. And it is vital that
the structures of the Church are kept in place. And that the Church
return to pre -Vatican II Church teachings.

Q. 102 Have you asked the Curia ?

A. I have asked the Curia (see letter sent to the Curia) for a
department to be set in the Church for preparations for Our
Lord's Second Coming to begin. And in the same letter ask for
a return to pre-Vatican II teachings. We cannot expect a reply.

Q. 103. Do you see your role as helping the Church.

A. Yes.

Q. 104 Just going back to the book. Have you mentioned about the
extent of the current depletion of mankind?

A. Yes. I have written about it in a responsible way in order to
provide enough information as concerning these last times. This is in
order to try to encourage great responsibility in what is this most
difficult last era for mankind. Preparations for the Lord's Second
Coming should begin. And the Rights of God must be placed first. If
this happens, if this is focused upon then we can expect great help.
And mankind is in need of help, desperately.

Q. 105 Putting the Rights of God first is vitally important.

A. Yes. Vitally important and pray that Our lord's Second Coming be
soon, as anticipated.

Q 106 Is there more in the book that you have not mentioned here ?

A. Yes. Given to help. And the new information which will help
people to believe.

Q. 107. Does the book give an indication of a time scale as to our
Lord's Second Coming?

A. The next decade (2020's) can be considered to be the
penultimate decade in anticipation of the last (2030's.) Many
indications do point to this. It is for the reader of the book to discern
this themselves from the evidence that is given.

Angela Anne Mary St John. October 2017
Posted on 28th October 2017. Feast of St Jude and St James.

(nb a number paragraphs edited, and added to subsequently; in 2018, and 2019.)

(Angela Anne Mary St John is also known as Angela Margaret Mary

1AD Beatissimi Apostolorum (Appealing For Peace)1914
2 Orientalium Ecclesiarium
3 Unitatis Redintegratio
4 As shown in Unitatis Redintegratio
5Lumen Gentium para 8(2)] also found in Unitatis Redintegratio
6 see. Unitatis Redintegratio
7 Unitatis Redintegratio [para 22]
8 Humani Generis
9Interview with La Stampa
10 Address- Prayer Book Society:"The Ordinariate and the Book of
Common Prayer": All Saints', East St Kilda 10.10.2015
11 Stated by Mgr S. Lopez of the CDF in 2013
12 Edward Stourton interview with Bishop Alan Hopes. BBC Radio 4

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